I'm tracking a classic PO3 setup in gold's short-term price action. I anticipate the price to first sweep the liquidity resting above the "Asia high today". After breaking this level, the impulsive move is likely to continue towards the main target, which is the "Asia high yesterday"
NASDAQ:NVDA may look exposed ahead of the Fed meeting, but not for the reason many investors think. Nvidia’s balance sheet is still strong. The company holds about $56.6B in cash and liquid securities, excluding another $42.8B in marketable equity securities. Its recently issued senior notes are largely fixed-rate, so a 25-bps Fed hike should have little direct impact on interest expense. The real risk is on the demand side. Data Center now contributes roughly 92.5% of Nvidia’s total revenue. That makes NVDA one of the clearest beneficiaries of the AI infrastructure boom—but also one of the most sensitive names if hyperscalers slow data-center construction or AI spending. The transmission mechanism is simple: Fed hikes → higher cost of capital → higher hurdle rates for data-center projects → slower AI CapEx growth → weaker GPU demand. A single 25-bps hike probably won’t derail the AI cycle. The risk would rise if tightening continues toward 75–100 bps cumulatively, because that could start affecting project economics across the hyperscaler ecosystem. NVDA also still faces heavy working-capital commitments tied to wafer capacity, HBM, advanced packaging, system inventory and supply reservations. Those commitments matter if customer deployments get pushed out. So the key takeaway for NVDA is: Low direct rate risk, but very high indirect exposure to AI CapEx. As long as NASDAQ:MSFT , NASDAQ:GOOGL , NASDAQ:AMZN , NASDAQ:META and other hyperscalers keep spending aggressively, the Nvidia growth story remains intact. If that spending cycle slows, NVDA could feel it quickly.
Today’s level of interest comes in around 7735 on ES, where we have an untested Value Area High. What makes this area particularly interesting is the series of local highs formed around Monday 7th and Tuesday 8th September. If price trades higher into this zone, we could potentially see those highs swept for liquidity before price reaches the untested VAH. This gives us a nice area to monitor for a potential short scalp opportunity. As always, 7735 is a rough zone of interest rather than a blind entry. If and when price trades into the area, we’ll monitor the reaction and look for confirmation before considering a trade. Key confluence: Untested VAH Potential liquidity sweep into the VAH Approximate area of interest: 7735
https://www.tradingview.com/x/NxRu77rX/ Oil prices held steady above $100, ignoring comments from Trump; expectations of a Federal Reserve rate hike intensified, raising the likelihood of disappointment at tomorrow's meeting; risk appetite waned, and the dollar's rally continued; gold prices remained under pressure. Oil prices remain elevated, hovering in triple-digit territory, with the December WTI crude futures contract trading at $93. The recent surge in prices prompted a response overnight from U.S. President Trump. His remarks—suggesting the U.S.-Iran conflict would not last long (a stark contrast to last week's claim that it would drag on until the U.S. midterm elections in early November) and announcing that Russia and Ukraine had agreed not to attack oil facilities (a proposal that, according to the Ukrainian president, has yet to be approved)—appeared to cap the rally in oil prices. However, these comments failed to drive prices down, as investors remained focused on the damaged Saudi Arabian oil pipeline—which could take weeks to fully resume operations following repeated attacks—and the fact that, despite months of deliberation, much of the Strait of Hormuz remains closed and littered with Iranian-laid mines. Trump has grown increasingly anxious about oil prices as U.S. consumers begin to feel the sting of rising energy costs. Having won the 2024 presidential election by capitalizing on voter anger over runaway post-pandemic inflation, he now faces a similar—and potentially costly—problem. Losing a majority in either chamber of Congress (with the Senate being the focal point) would leave the administration severely hamstrung for the next two years. With oil prices dampening risk appetite and U.S. stock index futures surrendering most of yesterday's gains, the dollar remained in demand after a strong start to the week. USD/JPY edged tentatively higher as investors positioned themselves for Friday's Bank of Japan meeting, while GBP/USD declined despite decent employment and income data released earlier in the day. Notably, risk-sensitive currencies such as the New Zealand dollar and the Australian dollar underperformed. With a light U.S. data calendar today—and a 20-year Treasury auction (a less favored maturity on the yield curve) taking place—investors remain focused on tomorrow's Federal Reserve meeting. Markets have rapidly adjusted expectations: a 25-basis-point hike tomorrow (Wednesday) is fully priced in, with similar-sized hikes anticipated for December and March 2027. Although the repricing of Fed expectations has been aggressive, the outlook for the European Central Bank is even more hawkish; beyond last week's hike, markets anticipate nearly 70 basis points of cumulative tightening by March 2027. That said, despite continued hawkish rhetoric from ECB officials, EUR/USD is trading lower today, testing support formed by yesterday's low of 1.1522 and the 50-day simple moving average (SMA). Should the Fed meet hawkish expectations tomorrow, the lower bound of the broad trading range established since June 2025 could face a retest. Spot gold continues to decline—down nearly 9% from its late-August high—as it awaits the Fed meeting. TVC:USOIL PURPLETRADING:USOIL IG:USOIL IG:USOIL
Two AI giants. Two important EMA 50 tests. One choice. 🔵 Broadcom (AVGO) is trading around $345–346, below its weekly EMA 50 near $363. Reclaiming that level would strengthen the long-term setup. 🟢 NVIDIA (NVDA) is trading around $211–212, testing its daily EMA 50. A confirmed rebound could restart momentum, while a breakdown may open the door to a deeper pullback. Both companies remain major players in the AI infrastructure boom—but if you could own only one today, which would you choose? 🔥 Team NVIDIA or Team Broadcom? Drop your vote in the comments and tell the TradingView community why. Share this chart and challenge another investor to make their choice! For educational purposes only. Not financial advice. Laurent - Private Investor ✅ DL INVEST | Community Leader
SL hit. Will post tomorrow morning. Mostly 23260 will be resistance.. and we will go for PUT option. If 23075 levels will not sustain then more downside possible.
AUDJPY formed a rejection candle yesterday with a nice wick. If today's candle closes strong we should see it rising towards the the next zone in the coming days.
Crude’s move since August has been driven by a series of escalating flashpoints, not a single event. WTI gained nearly 30% from the start of August and crossed USD 100/bbl on 10/Sep. Crude oil initially fell 7.7% during the first week of August as hopes of an Iran-Oman arrangement to ease Strait of Hormuz disruptions grew. Those hopes quickly faded, sending it up 5.1% on 10/Aug (Mon) as talks broke down. The push and pull continued through August, but the broader uptrend remained, with WTI ending the month up 2.2%. https://www.tradingview.com/x/RSeAyLS8/ A second front was already developing in the Red Sea. On 22/Jul, Houthi forces attacked two Saudi tankers near the Bab al Mandab, threatening another key oil shipping route. The attacks and subsequent Saudi-Houthi escalation added to concerns over regional supply security. The decisive escalation came in early September, when the U.S. and Iran began directly targeting each other’s military and oil assets. On 5/Sep, the U.S. destroyed and disabled three Iranian oil tankers after the IRGC launched ballistic missiles at two U.S. Navy warships. On 8/Sep, the U.S. destroyed five more Iranian tankers after another missile attack on a U.S. warship. WTI rose 3.25% on 9/Sep before surging another 6.7% on 10/Sep, reaching an intraday high of USD 104.04/barrel. Although WTI prices fell by 2.4% on 11/Sep, it closed the week 9.7% higher. Major U.S. Oil Producers Uptrend is Measured Oil majors rarely move one-for-one with crude, particularly during geopolitical spikes. Investors tend to discount the rally if they see it as temporary, while spending and returns are based on longer-term oil prices. https://www.tradingview.com/x/iiRBLcOH/ At the same time, inflation and rate concerns can offset some of the earnings benefit, leaving energy stocks well behind the commodity. Why WTI Alone Isn't Always the Answer WTI’s strength is also its weakness: with no business underneath it, the contract captures the full impact of a supply shock but can reverse just as quickly when sentiment changes. September’s move above USD 100 could unwind on the next headline. Oil majors offer a different trade. Their earnings are diversified across crude, refining and chemicals, while buybacks and dividends provide additional support. As a result, their shares tend to move less sharply than WTI. That slower reaction also offers a useful signal: it reflects whether investors see higher oil prices as a lasting earnings shift or a temporary geopolitical spike. The trade-off is clear : less upside torque than WTI, but greater downside protection and a better read on market conviction. WTI Leads, but Equities Apply a Reality Check CME’s Single Stock Futures suite launched on 27/Jul with 55 standard and 22 micro contracts covering more than 50 U.S. stocks. Of the oil names, the standard contracts cover ExxonMobil, Chevron and ConocoPhillips, while only Exxon is also available as a micro contract. Trading nearly 23 hours a day allows investors to reprice these stocks continuously as geopolitical headlines unfold, rather than waiting for the equity market to reopen. CME has also launched 24/7 WTI futures, which we covered in our previous paper . https://www.tradingview.com/x/Ew2CB1E0/ Source: ExxonMobil , Chevron , and ConocoPhillips Exxon and Chevron may appear relatively insulated from crude because upstream contributes only around a quarter of revenue. But refining still depends on crude as a key input, so higher oil prices affect them through both feedstock costs and refining margins. https://www.tradingview.com/x/9do4FslU/ ConocoPhillips offers a cleaner read on crude with its entirely upstream business. Yet even it lagged significantly: WTI gained 25% while COP rose 15%. This suggests business mix is only part of the story. Equity risk appetite, doubts over the durability of the oil spike and company-specific factors also shape the response. That same lag cuts both ways. On the downside, it can work in the investor’s favour: an instrument that captures less of the upside can also absorb less of the drawdown. Historical Trade Example By June, regional tensions appeared to be easing, but oil prices had already pulled back sharply from their April highs. An investor looking to stay exposed to the broader uptrend chose to split the position between Chevron and ConocoPhillips SSFs rather than take the full headline risk of crude oil. Between mid-June and 10/Sep, the hypothetical trade would have generated a 14.19% gain on notional exposure, compared with 12.8% for WTI. WTI fell 25.7% during the mid-June selloff, while Chevron and ConocoPhillips fell just 13.6% and 14.7%, respectively. The SSF position’s resilience during the June drawdown gave it enough of an advantage to remain ahead through the subsequent rally and outperform WTI by September. Since SSFs on these names were not yet listed in June 2026, we use the underlying stocks’ closing prices as a proxy for SSF performance. Margin figures use current CME levels because historical SSF margin data is unavailable. Contract details (as of entry): Chevron SSF (SCVX0U2026): Initial margin per contract = USD 3,214; notional exposure at entry = 100 × USD 192 = USD 19,200 ConocoPhillips SSF (SCOP0U2026): Initial margin per contract = USD 2,063; notional exposure at entry = 100 × USD 118 = USD 11,800 Combined position: USD 5,277 in margin controlling USD 31,000 in notional exposure Long CME Chevron SSF (SCVX0U2026) Entry = USD 192 Exit = USD 216 PnL: 100 × (USD 216 – USD 192) = USD 2,400 https://www.tradingview.com/x/afRMRuTy/ Long CME ConocoPhillips SSF (SCOP0U2026) Entry = USD 118 Exit = USD 138 PnL: 100 × (USD 138 – USD 118) = USD 2,000 https://www.tradingview.com/x/PPyw9gdX/ Combined PnL = USD 2,400 + USD 2,000 = USD 4,400 That translates to an 83.4% return on the USD 5,277 margin committed, controlling USD 31,000 in combined notional exposure. WTI gained 12.8% over the same period, while the blended SSF position gained roughly 14.19% on a notional basis, outperforming the commodity itself while also carrying a materially shallower drawdown through the volatility in between. This content is sponsored. MARKET DATA CME Real-time Market Data helps identify trading setups and more effectively express market views. If you have futures in your trading portfolio, you can check out on CME Group data plans available that suit your trading needs at tradingview.com/cme . DISCLAIMER This case study is for educational purposes only and does not constitute investment recommendations or advice. Nor are they used to promote any specific products, or services. Trading or investment ideas cited here are for illustration only, as an integral part of a case study to demonstrate the fundamental concepts in risk management or trading under the market scenarios being discussed.
Following the clear BoS (Break of Structure) to the downside, the overall order flow has turned strictly bearish. The recent aggressive sell-offs confirmed that sellers are firmly in control of the medium-term trend. Price staged a relief rally but stalled aggressively around the 4,310 - 4,320 region, printing a clean Double Top pattern. The rejection perfectly aligns with the premium pricing zone, specifically tapping right into the 70.5% to 79.0% Fibonacci retracement levels (the Golden Pocket / OTE zone). The price has now snapped below the Double Top Neckline and is heading straight toward the immediate liquidity pools below. Drop your thoughts in the comments below! Are you shorting the Golden Pocket or waiting for a deeper sweep? Let's discuss!
Hello guys, it's been a while... Hasn't really been good but we have to show up. This is a swing trade I have, and I decided to check for a possible re-entry... Let's ride
# XAUUSD: Bearish Retest — Will Resistance Reject Price Again? **Gold Spot / U.S. Dollar (15-minute chart)** Gold is currently showing signs of a bearish market structure. After making lower highs and lower lows, price has started to recover from the recent drop. However, this recovery may simply be a **pullback before another move lower**. ### 🔍 What the chart is telling us Think of the grey zone around **4,284–4,290** as a ceiling. Price previously reacted around this area, and it is now approaching the same zone again. The key question is: **Will buyers break through the ceiling, or will sellers defend it?** The broader structure still favors sellers because: * Price has been making lower highs and lower lows. * The previous rally failed to sustain bullish momentum. * The current upward move may be a retracement into a former support-turned-resistance area. * The marked resistance zone provides a logical area to watch for selling pressure. ### 📉 The bearish scenario If price reaches the 4,284–4,290 zone and shows clear rejection, sellers may attempt to push Gold lower. My projected path is: 1. Price rallies into the resistance zone. 2. Buyers struggle to break above it. 3. A bearish rejection or a break of short-term support confirms selling pressure. 4. Price potentially moves toward **4,270**, followed by the **4,260–4,255** area. These are potential targets, not guaranteed outcomes. ### ⚠️ What would invalidate the idea? If Gold breaks above the resistance area with strong bullish candles and holds above it, the bearish setup becomes weaker. A sustained move above the broader supply area around 4,305–4,317 would further challenge the short-term bearish outlook. ### 🎯 My trading plan I am not interested in selling simply because price has reached the zone. I want to see sellers prove themselves. **Bearish confirmation:** Rejection from resistance, followed by a break of nearby short-term support. **Entry:** After confirmation, preferably on a retest rather than chasing a large bearish candle. **Targets:** 4,270 → 4,260 → 4,255. **Invalidation:** A strong bullish breakout and sustained acceptance above the resistance area. ### 🧠 Simple takeaway Gold is climbing toward a ceiling after falling. The ceiling may push price back down, but we must wait and see whether sellers actually defend it. **Patience first. Confirmation second. Execution last.** *This is a technical analysis scenario, not a guaranteed prediction or financial advice.*
Oil pulling back and can we eventually see a bull continuation?
About 29 days ago, the Bulls made a dramatic pump in the market that sent price flying up to around 82.2K. It was a strong move, but the Bulls just could not push far enough to swipe that 1M High. And that is where things started getting interesting. Since the Bulls could not take out the high, the Bears stepped in and took control, driving price down and taking out the low. But the Bulls were not ready to wave the white flag just yet. They only allowed the Bears to create a Swing Failure Pattern, then came charging right back for another attempt at taking out the high. For a moment, it looked like the Bulls might actually pull it off. Nope. The Bulls could only push so far before the Bears said, “Give me that ball back.” The Bears took control again that same day and sent price right back down. Since then, the market has spent the last few days trying to figure out who actually wants control. Price has been moving sideways, the Bulls have been fighting, the Bears have been fighting, and neither side has been able to land the knockout punch. But today, things are starting to get interesting again. It looks like the Bears might finally be ready to make another statement and attack that low one more time. If the Bears can take it out and get a solid body close below it, we might be able to kiss the Bulls goodbye for a while as price starts working its way back down toward 67.2K, or possibly even lower. But hold up. That is only one view of the market. The Bulls still have a chance to defend this area and take control from here. Even if the Bears do take out the low, the Bulls could pull the same trick again and turn the breakdown into another SFP, trapping Bears who thought the breakdown was finally here. So right now, this is not the place to marry a direction. This is the place to watch the fight. The Bears are standing at the Bulls’ front door, but they have not kicked it down yet. Until we get confirmation, both sides still have a path to victory. And this Daily chart is only showing us the battlefield from the sky. Now let’s drop down to the 4H Time Frame, because that is where we can get a much better look at what these Bulls and Bears are really up to.
EU was descending with a series of Lower High (LH) and Lower Lows (LL) and formed a very strong bullish divergence on the rsi. The breakout above the LH gave a bullish confirmation after the divergence, after waiting a healthy correction to form the next Higher Low (HL), EU is all set to print the next HH, therefore, placing the Stoploss below the LL at 1.15218 and a Buy Stop above the previous LTF high at 1.15417 and Take Profit at a 1:1 risk to reward at 1.15613.
On the 15-minute timeframe, GBPUSD experienced a short-term corrective phase down into lower liquidity. Following a double-bottom style sweep, price produced a local bullish Break of Structure (BOS) above the immediate swing high at ~$1.34795, signaling a potential shift toward upside momentum. Technical Reference Levels BOS Confirmation / Entry Level: ~$1.34795 (Break of Structure Level) Invalidation / Structural Level: ~$1.34718 (Below the immediate swing low) Upside Target Level: ~$1.35215 – $1.35235 (Major overhead supply/resistance block) Technical Setup Logic Following the structural confirmation (BOS) at $1.34795, the technical mapping anticipates a potential bullish continuation toward the overhead supply region near $1.35215, with structural invalidation defined below $1.34718. Disclaimer & Purpose This post is strictly for educational, analytical, and charting practice purposes only. It is not a financial idea, trading signal, or investment advice. Always manage your own risk and perform independent research.
B3USD | Coinbase | 4H Potential Bullish Elliott Wave Scenario This is a tentative bullish Elliott Wave scenario based on the attached chart, not a confirmed reversal. Possible wave count: • Wave 1: the advance from approximately 0.00045 to 0.00080. • Wave 2: the subsequent pullback toward 0.00056. A wave-2 bottom has not yet been confirmed. Levels to watch: The 0.00050–0.00057 area is a potential support zone. Reclaiming 0.00065 and 0.0007364 would strengthen the recovery case, while a sustained break above 0.00080 would provide further support for bullish continuation. Conditional projections: • Wave 3: approximately 0.00113. If wave 2 ends near 0.0005592, a 1.618 extension of the assumed wave-1 advance gives a reference level near 0.001126. • Wave 4: an illustrative pullback toward 0.00092, remaining above the assumed wave-1 high near 0.00080. • Wave 5: an illustrative continuation toward 0.00130, near the 2.618 level shown on the chart at 0.0013073. These levels depend on the assumed pivots and would need reassessment as the structure develops. The displayed Fibonacci overlay and the wave-3 calculation may use different anchor points. Invalidation and alternative: A move below the assumed wave-1 origin near 0.00045 would invalidate this specific count. The previous advance could also be a corrective rally rather than the start of a new bullish impulse. Waves 3–5 represent a possible future path only. Their endpoints and placement on the time axis are illustrative, not precise price or timing forecasts. Educational scenario, not a recommendation to buy or sell https://www.tradingview.com/x/2U40vfAs ] https://www.tradingview.com/x/2U40vfAs
On the 4-Hour timeframe, Gold (XAUUSD) has shown a clear market structure reversal following a rejection from the major higher-timeframe resistance supply zone around $4,700–$4,730. After forming lower highs and lower lows, price action confirms strong bearish momentum breaking down toward major demand order blocks below. Key Technical Highlights: Major Resistance (Supply Zone): Heavy sell imbalance detected at $4,700–$4,730 (Order Block 97% Sell / 3% Buy). Lower High Order Block: Secondary bearish reaction zone established near $4,630 (Order Block 94% Sell). Current Price Action: Testing the immediate demand zone around $4,220–$4,250 (34% Sell / 66% Buy Order Block). Trading Plan & Scenarios: Primary Bearish Outlook: If price breaks and closes below the $4,220 support, expect continuation down toward Target 1 ($4,200 area). A sustained loss of Target 1 opens the path toward Target 2 around the major demand order block ($3,850–$4,000 zone). Alternative Scenario: Any short-term relief bounce into previous lower-high zones (e.g., $4,400–$4,500) could offer additional short/sell-on-rally opportunities as long as the market structure remains bearish below $4,700. Key Levels to Watch: Resistance / Supply: $4,500 | $4,630 | $4,720 Support / Demand: $4,220 (Target 1 Zone) | $4,000 | $3,850 (Target 2 Zone) Disclaimer: This is for educational purposes only and not financial advice. Always manage your risk properly.
GBPNZD: Resistance Test Could Trigger a Reversal GBPNZD is approaching a major resistance zone around 2.3500–2.3550, an area that has triggered several previous rejections. The pair has now rallied strongly from the lower structure and is once again testing this important resistance. Given the repeated reactions from this zone, I would be cautious about chasing the current move higher. If GBPNZD shows clear reversal or rejection signals near resistance, a pullback toward 2.3215 could be the first target. If selling pressure increases, the next target sits around 2.3040. Key levels: 🎯 2.3215 🎯 2.3040 You can find more details on the chart. Thank you! 🍀 ⚠️PS: Do your own analysis and use your own strategy to join the trade. ❤️ If this analysis helps your trading day, please support it with a like or comment ❤️
Potential Bullish Scenario After Resistance Breakout Gold is currently trading around the $4,270–$4,280 area on the 4-hour timeframe, where price is reacting to a key support zone and a rising short-term trendline. However, the broader corrective structure remains bearish while price is trading below the descending red trendline, which acts as the main dynamic resistance. If the current support holds and price forms a higher low, a bullish reversal could develop. 🔑 Key Levels First Support: 4,278 Major Support: 4,232 Critical Support: 4,181 First Resistance: 4,407–4,420 Major Resistance: Descending trendline 🎯 Bullish Target: 4,475–4,520 📈 Bullish Scenario A sustained move above 4,278, followed by a strong breakout and confirmation above 4,407–4,420, could open the way for a continuation toward the 4,475 target zone. The projected structure suggests a potential bottom formation → retest → trendline breakout → bullish continuation. On the other hand, a decisive break below 4,232 would weaken the bullish setup and could expose the 4,181 support area. Conclusion: As long as the key support zones remain intact, the primary potential scenario favors an upside move toward 4,475–4,520. A confirmed breakout above the descending trendline would provide stronger confirmation for the bullish setup.
Fundamental Analysis Gold remains under pressure ahead of the September 15–16 Fed meeting. Markets are pricing roughly a 92% probability of a 25 bp rate hike, while a firmer U.S. dollar and rising Treasury yields continue to raise the opportunity cost of holding gold. The macro backdrop is also being complicated by oil prices above $100 and renewed Middle East supply concerns. U.S. Treasury yields have pushed to fresh multi-year highs, with the 10-year recently moving above 5%, reinforcing the higher-for-longer pressure on precious metals. Technical Analysis On the H1 chart, XAUUSD is trading near 4,277 after rebounding from the 4,253.64 low but failing to establish a sustained bullish structure. Price remains below the broader bearish structure, while the latest Fibonacci retracement identifies 4,293–4,305 as the most attractive short-term sell area. This zone combines the 0.618–0.786 retracement, previous structure, and nearby H1 imbalance. A deeper recovery could test 4,318, but acceptance above that level would weaken the immediate bearish setup. If sellers defend the Fibonacci zone, price may rotate back toward 4,278, followed by 4,268–4,270 and eventually the 4,253–4,255 liquidity low. Important Key Levels 4,378–4,390 — Major H1 FVG 4,305–4,318 — Upper resistance 4,293–4,305 — Main sell zone 4,278 — First downside pivot 4,268–4,270 — Lower demand 4,253–4,255 — Main liquidity target Trading Scenario Main Sell Setup Entry: 4,293–4,305 Stop Loss: 4,322 Take Profit 1: 4,278 Take Profit 2: 4,268–4,270 Take Profit 3: 4,253–4,255 Sell Condition Wait for price to retrace into 4,293–4,305 and show bearish confirmation. A rejection wick, bearish engulfing candle, failed reclaim above 4,305, or H1 close back below 4,293 may confirm renewed seller pressure. A sustained break above 4,318–4,322 would invalidate the immediate sell idea. Overall View The H1 bias remains bearish while XAUUSD trades below 4,318. With price already near lower support, chasing shorts around 4,277 offers poor positioning. The preferred plan is to wait for a corrective rebound into 4,293–4,305, then look for confirmation toward 4,278, 4,268, and potentially a retest of the 4,253 liquidity low. The Fed decision is now the main volatility risk, and the tone of the policy statement may be as important as the expected rate hike itself. Do you expect gold to retest 4,293–4,305 before sellers attack 4,253 again?